how deep does the rabbit hole go?

Posted by crayz

We're still not at the bottom:

Five years ago, Congress killed an experimental Pentagon antiterrorism program meant to vacuum up electronic data about people in the U.S. to search for suspicious patterns. Opponents called it too broad an intrusion on Americans' privacy, even after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

But the data-sifting effort didn't disappear. The National Security Agency, once confined to foreign surveillance, has been building essentially the same system.

The central role the NSA has come to occupy in domestic intelligence gathering has never been publicly disclosed. But an inquiry reveals that its efforts have evolved to reach more broadly into data about people's communications, travel and finances in the U.S. than the domestic surveillance programs brought to light since the 2001 terrorist attacks....

Two former officials familiar with the data-sifting efforts said they work by starting with some sort of lead, like a phone number or Internet address. In partnership with the FBI, the systems then can track all domestic and foreign transactions of people associated with that item -- and then the people who associated with them, and so on, casting a gradually wider net. An intelligence official described more of a rapid-response effect: If a person suspected of terrorist connections is believed to be in a U.S. city -- for instance, Detroit, a community with a high concentration of Muslim Americans -- the government's spy systems may be directed to collect and analyze all electronic communications into and out of the city.

The haul can include records of phone calls, email headers and destinations, data on financial transactions and records of Internet browsing. The system also would collect information about other people, including those in the U.S., who communicated with people in Detroit....

Two current officials also said the NSA's current combination of programs now largely mirrors the former TIA project. But the NSA offers less privacy protection. TIA developers researched ways to limit the use of the system for broad searches of individuals' data, such as requiring intelligence officers to get leads from other sources first. The NSA effort lacks those controls, as well as controls that it developed in the 1990s for an earlier data-sweeping attempt.

GOP: against habeus corpus

Posted by crayz

Senate vote on cloture(basically a vote to allow a vote) “To restore habeas corpus for those detained by the United States.”:

Democrats: 49-0 Republicans: 6-42

Here are the six five Republicans in the senate who are in favor of a human rights standard that’s been part of western civilization for 700 years:
  • Chuck Hagel
  • Richard Lugar
  • Gordon Smith
  • Olympia Snoweis worthless
  • Arlen Specter
  • John Sununu

To the rest(including Joe Lieberman): die in a fire, you fucking scumbags. And Democrats: force a real filibuster for god’s sake. I want McCain and Lieberman standing up there for 30 hours straight on CSPAN talking about how much they love the US “disappearing” people indefinitely without charges